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Holocaust Discussion on the Alef List:
Communist anti-Semite and convicted shoplifter Tony Greenstein tells
ALEF members about the Holocaust
Tue, April 26, 2011 12:00:50 AM
[alef] Getting the Holocaust into Perspective (was Audacity without
bounds (falasteensadiqa))
From: tony greenstein <tonygreenstein@yahoo.com>
To:
alef@list.haifa.ac.il
And the logical corollary of this is that
because the Zionists use the holocaust in order to justify their
barbarities, people then draw the 'logical' conclusion, viz. that
there was no holocaust. Because if you were seriously concerned
about what happened to Jews under the Nazis you wouldn't defend the
Nakba and all that has come after.
The reality is that the Zionists actively
and consciously help create the very phenomenon of holocaust
denial that they purport to oppose.
It is precisely because of the horrors of the
holocaust that we should be vigilant to prevent the abuse and misuse
of the holocaust to justify the genocidal murder and expulsion of
the Palestinians and their status under Zionist Apartheid.
The disgusting role of Yad Vashem and similar
institutions makes a mockery of their claims to remember the dead.
Tony
Tony Greenstein
Mon, April 25, 2011 3:08:23 AM
[alef] Audacity without bounds
From: Wayne Kraft <waynekraft@comcast.net>
To: alef <alef@list.haifa.ac.il>
Dear Friends,
... But it seems to me that the most ardent promoters of Holocaust
remembrance and education are also the most vehement apologists for
Zionism and for Israeli apartheid.
That engenders cynicism and, to some extent,
diminishes good will rather than enhancing it. Nobody admires
behavior that is so blatantly biased in favor of the oppressors and,
quite frankly, blames the victims.
It would be so very different if the "never
again!" of the Holocaust were applied to the six decades of
dispossession, ethnic cleansing and concentration of the
Palestinians that is still very much underway. But in my community,
the lessons of the Holocaust are applied singly and exclusively to
the Holocaust itself.
With best regards,
Wayne
Wayne Kraft
Mon, April 25, 2011 1:11:45 AM
Re: [alef] Audacity without bounds
From: falasteensadiqa <falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com> ![[]](Alef%20watch%20-%20tony%20greenstein%20-%20Holocaust%20denial_files/image001.gif)
To:
alef@list.haifa.ac.il
How on earth is a catastrophic event supposed
to be commemorated while one is still commiting tragedies against
the Palestinian people. I think it's highly insulting. In addition
to that, the Holocaust has always been used to cancel out everyone
else's suffering.
Marlene
Sun, April 24, 2011 10:24:50 PM
Re: [alef] Audacity without bounds
From: Mark Marshall <markmarshall0691@gmail.com>
To: ALEF <alef@list.haifa.ac.il>
"How about marking every Jewish home in
Palestine where Palestinians once lived before the partition of
their beloved land and were forced to leave or fled in fear, their
inalienable Right of Return denied"
That will happen - when Israel suffers a defeat
as total as that suffered by Germany in 1945. And at that point
marking those Palestinian homes in that way will be a meaningless
gesture.
On the other hand, if today some Jewish Israeli
family living in a formerly Arab house or apartment in Lod or Ramle
or West Jerusalem or Safed or Beersheba or Ein Hod or Beit Shean or
wherever put a poster on their property identifying it as the former
home of a Palestinian family that was expelled from Israel in 1948 -
now THAT would be a meaningful gesture.
Sun, April 24, 2011 5:52:50 PM
[alef] Audacity without bounds
From: falasteensadiqa <falasteensadiqa05@yahoo.com>
To:
alef@list.haifa.ac.il;
I have a much better idea. How about marking
every Jewish home in Palestine where Palestinians once lived before
the partition of their beloved land and were forced to leave or fled
in fear, their inalienable Right of Return denied, or marking every
area where a bulldozer destroyed Palestinian homes to rubble leaving
countless families homeless or those Palestinians who were murdered.
Nothing like asking others to commemorate one's
past catastrophe while having caused the catastrophe of another who
had nothing to do with what happened in Amsterdam or anywere else in
Europe, refusing to recognize it, and still engaging in it. There
are really no appropriate words to describe this.
Marlene
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